About the CRG
The Cambridgeshire Repeater Group (CRG) owns and operates amateur radio analogue voice repeaters on 6m (GB3PX), 2m (GB3PI) and 23cm (GB3PS), a D-Star repeater on 70cm (GB7PI) and a high speed packet node on 70cm (GB7PT) from a site at Barkway near Royston plus an analogue voice repeater on 70cm (GB3PY), a 2m APRS digipeater (MB7UM) and an amateur television repeater on 23cm (GB3PV) from a site at Madingley west of Cambridge. Both Barkway and Madingley are former Pye/Philips towers however both are now owned and maintained by Arqiva. These repeaters serve users in the Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire, North East Hertfordshire, North West Essex, West Suffolk and South West Norfolk areas. To the north of the county we operate the Peterborough 2m FM voice repeater (GB3PE) from a site at Thorney Toll.
CRG Rally 2013
The 2013 Cambridgeshire Repeater Group Rally will be held on Sunday 7th April at Foxton Village Hall, Hardman Road, Foxton, Cambridge, Cambs, CB22 6RN.
Trader setup starts at 7am.
Opening time for visitors is 10am, entrance is £2. Free entrance to Repeater Group members. No other discounts.
Talk In will be provided on S22 – 145.550 GB3PI and GB3PY.
Traders wishing to book a stand should contact the rally organiser – Lawrence Micallef, M0LCM, by email to firstname.lastname@example.org
For full details and booking form please use the Rally 2013 link to the right.
CRG AGM 2012
The CRG AGM will be held on Wednesday 28rd November 2012.
Please email technical if you have any reports regarding any repeater below.
|GB3PE||2m Voice||Thorney Toll, Peterborough||145.675 MHz||Operational|
|GB3PI||2m Voice||Barkway||145.750 MHz||Operational|
|GB3PY||70cm Voice||Madingley||433.200 MHz||Operational|
|GB3PX||6m Voice||Barkway||50.780 MHz||Off air for upgrades|
|GB3PV||23cm D/ATV||Madingley||1316.000 MHz||Operational|
|GB3PS||23cm Voice||Barkway||1297.075 MHz||Operational|
|GB7PI||70cm D-STAR||Barkway||439.9125 MHz||Operational|
|GB7PT||70cm Packet||Barkway||439.7125 MHz||Operational
|MB7UM||2m APRS Digi||Madingley||144.800 MHz||Operational|
|MB7PI||2m APRS Digi + iGate||Barkway||144.800 MHz||Operational|
|MB7IPE||2m APRS Digi||Thorney Toll, Peterborough||144.800 MHz||NoV Issued: Not Yet Operational|
CRG Membership subscriptions run annually from the AGM, see the CRG calendarfor this years date. Membership rates for 2011/12 are: ordinary membership £10 per annum; family membership £15 per annum. Please help the group by paying your subscription promptly. As always, your subscription will get you into the CRG Rally for free. For those who haven’t yet paid (and those who’d like to join), you will find the CRG membership form on the CRG Membership Page. or pay online by going to the Products Page.
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Flossie is the groups Amateur Radio Demonstration Vehicle. For more info about Flossie please visit the Camb-Hams page on her.
Please see the CRG calendar for more dates.
- Weekly UKACs on Tuesday evenings (all bands)
- November 26th CRG AGM
- June 24th – June 27th; Friedrichshafen Ham Radio, Germany. (Camb-Hams)
- May 1st – May 15th 2010; Camb-Hams DX’pedition to Harris, Harris, Scotland (Camb-Hams)
- April 11th; CRG rally – Foxton village hall.
- March 12th – March 14th; Camb-Hams trip to the Dutch National Radio Flea Market (Camb-Hams)
- March 7th; CDARC Radio Rally: CRG Stand and Bring and Buy; Wood Green Animal Shelter.
- March 4th; CUWS lecture – Raynet: The What, Why and How of Amateur Radio Emergency Communications (CUWS)
- Feb 25th; CUWS lecture – HF Direction Finding and Superresolution Techniques (CUWS)
- Feb 4th; CUWS lecture – Sunspots and the Solar Dynamo (CUWS)
- November 4th; CRG AGM, Bottisham Village Collage.
- April 17th – April 25th 2009; Camb-Hams DX’pedition to Harris, Harris, Scotland (Camb-Hams)
- May 28th; Mullard Radio Astronomy Observatoryvisit, Cambridgeshire. (Camb-Hams)
- June 21st; CDARC 90th Birthday Celebration Field Day– GB0CAM in Foxton, Cambridgeshire.
- June 26th – June 28th; Friedrichshafen Ham Radio, Germany. (Camb-Hams)
- July 4th – July 5th; VHF NFD, Cambridgeshire. (Camb-Hams)
- September 4th – 5th; SSB Field day and 144MHz Trophy (Camb-Hams)
I have some good news for the CRG.
A while ago, we were presented with a bill for business rates for the use of two sites we use by the site owners Arqiva. It was a considerable amount of money into 4 digits, something the CRG, as a voluntary non-profit group could ill afford.
Following discussions with Arqiva, they have graciously agreed to absorb those costs and will not be charging us “our share” of local authority business rates. The CRG is grateful for the kind benevolent offer made by Arqiva, which will enable us to remain on their sites, providing coverage for Cambridgeshire and surrounding areas, for both “pleasure” and “resilience” use.
Arqiva are showing continued support for amateur radio these days, as it is seen as a breeding ground for the next generation of engineers.
The CRG & Camb-Hams, together with the other societies in Cambridgeshire, are keen to promote the hobby among the younger generations. The Camb-Hams have already helped Cambridge105 run a number of “build a radio” sessions with local schools, and will be looking to do more in the future. The Cambridge University Wireless Society continues to promote amateur radio within the world of higher education, and also offers courses for those wishing to obtain all grades of licence. Everybody on our repeaters no doubt now knows someone newly licensed due to such efforts.
As a group we are keen to support these initiatives as can be seen in the CRG Student Radio Loan Scheme. If you have any suggestions on how you think the CRG, or the Camb-Hams, could do more to encourage new people to the hobby, or you would like to get involved in any aspect mentioned above, then please contact us.
Last week I visited site at Thorney Toll to change out the repeater controller for one that improved the audio quality through the repeater, and to give an inter-over indication.
It is still planned to change to a G1YFF logic in the future, though Jake has other projects to complete first, and this one will be his first FX5000 integration – not just plug in the back of the box, a proper connection into the repeater control module.
For now, I have swapped out the recalcitrant Zetron 37 for a far far better Zetron 38Max that I have purchased and loaned to the CRG for the job.
The first thing you noticed is the quality of the through audio – it’s much much better (couldn’t be any worse!), being fuller and far louder. If anything, it’s a little more “punchy” than it is when the FX5000 is placed in it’s own talk-through mode without the controller plugged in. It’s certainly easy on the ear when mobile.
And then there’s the “K”. I had considered using trailing pips, but that may cause issues with the Echolink that Andy G6OHM kindly provides for GB3PE.
When you drop carrier, you’ll notice a little squech tail. I have set the Zetron to do this so weak signals chopping in/out don’t send K K K K K K as they’re falling out (one of the reasons why the old box didn’t have a pip was it sending the pip the moment that CTCSS decode was lost!). People who have radios that provide a “reverse tone burst” when they de-key will have no squelch tail. (A “reverse tone burst” is a period of around 300mS where the transmitter remains keyed after the PTT is released, with NO CTCSS on the signal – it allows the repeater to close it’s input before the signal is lost, so there’s no squelch crash. It’s a feature on just about every PMR radio, yet only a few ham rigs do it).
Echolink is working correctly via GB3PE (when Andy has it switched on – see the CRG homepage for the status indicator). There were a few issues initially, but Andy has resolved those now. We still hope that at some point in the future we’ll be able to have Echolink, and other facilities like IRLP or AllStarLink on GB3PE 24/7.
MB7IPE – our new APRS iGate, built up by Gavin M1BXF, went on site too. At first there was a problem where PE’s TX was getting back into the RX and keeping the repeater open, but appearing like a very weak signal. Turning MB7IPE off made it go away. After some searching and testing, it was found that the power cable for the APRS unit was pretty well a 1/2wave at 2m, and causing some kind of parasitic re-radiation into the RX. Chopping it to “just long enough” cured the issue, as well as winding the aerial feeder into a choke, just in case.
The other issue I found was MB7IPE causing de-sense to PE’s input, even with a filter inline. Something that didn’t appear on any bench tests. So it was removed back to my workshop for tests & mods where necessary. With PE’s input only 275KHz away, it was going to be a problem! However, following a little head scratching, and a good suggestion by Rob M0VFC, I have added a relay into the PTT line, which is energised by the “COR” signal from the repeater (Carrier Operated Relay). This means that MB7IPE’s TX will be disabled when there is a valid signal on the input of GB3PE. I had hoped to use COR to control the DCD in the TNC, which would allow it to buffer packets until the coast was clear to transmit. Sadly the TNC-X that is used for the APRS digi does its DCD in software, and there are no hardware means of providing this.
I hope to get MB7IPE back on site early next week (w/c 29th Oct).
Again, at some stage in the future, we hope to have internet connectivity for our systems on site, which will enable the iGate for MB7IPE.
What we did find, during its short tenure on site last week, is that it can hear MB7PI, and MB7PI can hear it, which puts it in direct contact with our main iGate at Barkway.
Coming up next is the CRG AGM on November 28th at The Sun, Waterbeach, Cambs. All welcome (only paid up CRG members can vote) – I look forward to seeing you there!
Echolink on GB3PE – Node Number 741906
This is an attended link operated on behalf of the CRG by Andy, G6OHM. The link
is normally on between 19:30 and 22:00 local time, 3 to 5 days a week. It may also be
on occasionally during the daytime and at weekends.
The current link status is shown on the right sidebar of the CRG homepage.
More information on the GB3PE-R Echolink Page
We have added a form to allow Repeater Signal Strength Reports as it is always useful to receive reports of how well our repeaters are being heard and we really appreciate it when people take the time to tell us. If you have time please fill in the form to provide feedback on repeater strengths in various locations: http://www.cambridgerepeaters.net/repeaters/
Repeater Timeouts – and why we have them.
Some people, as you know, seem to enjoy timing out on the repeaters in the CRG area. But why do we have a timeout in the first place? No, it’s not a hindrance, it’s there for a good reason.
While the repeater PA could handle 100% duty at its current setting, the idea of the timeout is to give other people a chance to make use of the repeater. The idea of the repeater in the first place is for mobile stations (in vehicle, or on foot etc…) to extend their operating range. It is not a platform for broadcasting, and it should be remembered that at peak times, with heavy traffic, there is a chance that a amateur mobile operator may come across a situation where they need to make an urgent call, and that means pretty well “now”, not in 3/6/9 minutes time.
What do I mean? Well, GB3PI has a 3 minute timeout. But some people think it’s OK to timeout, grab a reset, then have another bite, maybe another timeout, and some more…. That’s not good operating practice, and they should know better. Especially those who work in the commercial radio comms trade where we often set timeouts to 1min, AND have “hog” timers where users that monopolise community base stations suffer a further lockout if they exceed a pre-defined amount of use. It’s all to promote fair usage, and give other users a chance to utilise the equipment.
What does this mean for CRG repeaters? Quite simply, if the current situation continues, I am going to investigate a number of options which include an aggressive timeout policy on CRG repeaters, where the timeout is set at a generous 3min, but will reduce to 2min if the repeater times out again in a given period, and if it times out again, it will reduce to 1min, then 30seconds, and finaly the repeater will shut down for five minutes.
Another option includes utilising a transmitter signature system to identify offending stations and adjust the timeout according to their behaviour. That last option may be a little draconian, but it’s on the table!
Why has it come to this? – Comments have been made by some people that they don’t use our repeaters much these days because they can’t get a word in edgeways, and when they do, their journey is over before they get to have a proper go. So they just don’t bother turning it on. The next step is not having a radio in the car, followed by leaving the hobby. So why should the selfish actions of one of two people ruin the hobby for many more?
Look at it from that perspective. Your journey to work takes 15 mins. Enough time for a few overs in normal QSO. Then take it with our repeater hog on air – taking 2/3 x timeouts @ 3min each = 6/9mins per transmission. You *might* get one go, you probably will only get the chance to announce yourself on the repeater, and the next time it’s 73!! Not good at all.
Education has been tried, and it’s failed. It’s time for action!
Thanks to everyone for the updates regarding the loss of power at the Madingley site on 20/01/12, it sure gave the batteries a good test and I would say they worked well.
If you look at the telemetry MB7UM sends out here http://goo.gl/C6g7f you can see the 4th graph down showing the mains power state (010 for ON and 000 for OFF). Power went for somewhere between 16:50:41 and 17:02:20 and came back on between 00:00:17 and 00:11:53 (how cool is it we can tell this now!). That was a duration of about 7 hours.
Back on the telemetry, the 24v graph (2nd one down) shows a drop in voltage from ~27.5v to 25.0v, 27.5v is the charging voltage, but held steady at 25.0v for most of the time after, some slight fluctuations towards the end. The 12v (top graph) didn’t change at all (the fluctuations between 13.9v and 14.1v is probably ADC error). Note the graphs are the actual value x10 which allows greater resolution.
The only thing I need to work out is why the temperature jumped 8C when the power can back on (between 00:00 and 00:47). This *might* be an ADC reference voltage error, but I can’t see how as it is run off a 5v rail which shouldn’t have been affected. There is a heater in there so maybe it’s just a very good one!
Anyway great work by Phil G4BIK who not only updated GB3PY’s logic to send a ‘B’ between overs instead of a ‘K’ when on batteries, and for plumbing in the new rectifier and battery backup system which worked a treat over the 7 hours.
CRG Technical Coordinator
The story of GB3PE – from the CRG perspective!
In October 2010, the group operating GB3PE took the decision to close it down, together with GB3PB (70cm), partly due to equipment unreliability, partly due to those working on the kit having no time to do so. When I heard that this had happened, I immediately set about finding out if the original keeper – G1ARV – would transfer the NoV to the CRG, and we could then re-establish it.
He had already issued the “E0″ form to the ETCC to formally close the repeater down, so we would need to ask Ofcom. Sadly, Rod Wilkinson was on extended sick leave, so was unable to help.
I contacted the original site owner, Dalmark Grain, and asked if we would be able to re-establish the repeater on their site. They were most accommodating and agreed – subject to licencing. The NoV appeared on my doormat in early January 2011, and to be honest, caught me unawares! I was expecting it to take a number of months, not a number of weeks!
Work commitments meant that I had no time to really work on the repeater until June/July, even though I had a base station programmed and tested, with a controller, all ready to go at the CRG Rally at Easter. The delay was caused by the filtering.
The grainstore at Thorney Toll has a loft cavity (where the repeater is housed), and this is subject to some large swings of temperature through the year. I expect to see temperatures in excess of 45degC in the summer, and ambient external type temperatures during the winter (so could be freezing!).
I’ve covered the filtering woes and issues in previous posts, so won’t go into that any further now. With everything finally ready to go in late October, all that was needed was some kind weather, and site owner’s permission to get in there and do it.
The first week of November was sporadic with its weather, though I had quite a lot of work on, so couldn’t spend the time. I planned for Thursday 10th November, the long range weather forecast looked favourable, low wind levels, no rain, and reasonably temperate for the time of year. Dalmark grain were happy for us to go on Thursday, they only operate the site one or two days a week, and Thursday was one of those days. Once on site, Andy G6OHM, struggled up to the loft to see what we were dealing with. He admired the view, and took a few pictures.
Starting with me….
Getting the LDF4-50 and bits out of the van ready to go up the silo.
Looking out to the south west over the A47.
Looking from the end of the building where the kit is, a little dusty!! At the other end, you can just see the top of the stairs where we enter the loft.
The building, with the aerial hoisted up, but not fitted properly yet. The top is 30m AGL.
To get the equipment up there, we threw a rope down, attached it to a large black bin, and I pulled it all the way up. A touch tiring!!
Having a breather…..
Bolting the mast (6m pole) in place took a bit of work, Andy held on to the pole for dear life, while I climbed up and attempted to kick him off the gantry! (Sorry Andy!)
Luckily the electric motor was not going to be on while we were working!!
Final tweaking of the folded dipole for the planned MB7PE APRS relay.
With it all up there, and our breath back, nearly all of it went into the cupboard. The batteries had to be placed on the top of the cupboard for now – until a suitable box/shelf can be built to put the batteries and the charger under the main cupboard.
There is room in the rack for the APRS relay, and at the bottom is a 19″ radial fan that will eventually be used to offer airflow/cooling for the repeater in warmer times.
I’m still thinking about ways of keeping the whole thing cool for stability and reliability, but the issue will be getting stuff up into that loft! I’m thinking about a fan blowing air from outside into the cupboard in the summer months – all temperature controlled.
Within minutes of GB3PE going back on air, we had calls from around the area. Reports of end-stop signals in areas where I would have expected it, and other areas where I would not! G4KSW(?) reported end-stop at Colsterworth on the A1, and later that it was S7 in the centre of Grantham.
G1SAA reported end-stop in Histon!! Later, Gavin M1BXF, worked it from his IC92 portable on it’s rubber duck, in Trumpington, Cambridge. OK, there were lift conditions, but still, it was working well.
On my journey home, I was able to work it right back to the Bedfordshire border on the B1040, and then in my yard at Sutton, Bedfordshire. That was using a 1/4wave and a Motorola GM950 PMR rig, so no 50W radios with 7/8waves!!
The Cambridgeshire Repeater Group can now stand up and say clearly that it covers Cambridgeshire!! (having not checked coverage out to the far west properly, it’s a bold statement, but PI covers out to the Northants border and beyond!).
I have to re-iterate my thanks to Andy G6OHM for his help on the day. Without him, there’s no way it would have been installed. A Mk2 version is going to be built, using the fabled G1YFF logic, which will pip and bing and do lots of things! The basic controller at the moment does CTCSS detect, ID, and timeout – which is set at THREE minutes.
Comments on the operation of the repeater and its performance are welcome to email@example.com.
Remember – the CRG AGM is on Wednesday 23rd November, to be held at The Sun public house, Waterbeach, Cambs. Members and Non-Members are welcome to attend, however, only paid up 2011 members (and life members) may vote.
The Cambridgeshire Repeater Group